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Hoyle apologises to SNP, offers to let them hold emergency debate, but defends wanting to protect MPs

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, is responding to Flynn.

I will reiterate I made a judgment call that didn’t end up in the position where I expected it to.

I regret it. I apologise to the SNP … I apologise and I apologise to the house. I made a mistake. We do make mistakes. I own up to mine.

I would say that we can have an SO24 [standing order 24] to get an immediate debate because the debate is so important to this house.

I will defend every member in this House. Every member matters to me in this house.

And it has been said, both sides, I never ever want to go through a situation where I pick up a phone to find a friend, of whatever side, has been murdered by terrorists.

I also don’t want another attack on this House. I was in the chair on that day.

I have seen, I have witnessed, I won’t share the details, but the details of the things that have been brought to me are absolutely frightening on all members of this house, on all sides.

I have a duty of care, and I say that, and if my mistake is looking after members I am guilty.

All MPs are at risk, he says. He had serious meetings with the police yesterday. Heading into the election, there are threats.

He repeats the point that he is offering an SO24 debate.

There are cheers as he sits down.

UPDATE: Hoyle, the speaker, offered to let the SNP hold an emergency debate. I interpreted that that as his offering an emergency no confidence debate, but colleagues who were in the chamber have interpreted that as a reference to an emergency Gaza debate. We are seeking clarification, but I have amended the headline in the meantime.

FURTHER UPDATE: Hoyle was offering an emergency debate on Gaza, not on his future, sources say.

Lindsay Hoyle in the chair today.
Lindsay Hoyle in the chair today. Photograph: PRU/AFP/Getty Images

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We just felt, as you saw the scenes unfolding, that we just couldn’t take part in this. That it wasn’t fair on the SNP and I’m not the SNPs biggest supporter, but to be fair to them, they had a right to have a vote on their debate.</p>\n <p>Until Penny Mordaunt, leader of the Commons, announced at the end of the debate that the Tories would not be participating, it had been expected that they would vote down the Labour amendment, vote down the SNP amendment, and then use their Commons majority to vote through <a href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/feb/21/kemi-badenoch-post-office-scandal-rishi-sunak-keir-starmer-pmqs-uk-politics-live?page=with:block-65d608ca8f08aff1ffae281e#block-65d608ca8f08aff1ffae281e\">their own amendment.</a></p>\n</blockquote>","elementId":"7606328c-a621-45b0-9b17-ad3b9153c225"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>When asked if she was sure Tories could have won the vote, Caulfield replied:</p>","elementId":"398583a5-fb92-4989-b0bb-d6c0dc13ddbe"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.BlockquoteBlockElement","html":"<blockquote class=\"quoted\">\n <p>Yes, I think we’ve been pretty clear on that. We had a similar vote a few weeks ago, and the party, we were pretty united on that. So that was not the reason that we pulled out of it.</p>\n</blockquote>","elementId":"a90ebfe1-cd4a-410a-97d0-8b9291983c88"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>Caulfield was referring to the vote in November on an SNP amendment to the king’s speech calling for a ceasefire in Gaza. At the time no Tory voted with the SNP.</p>","elementId":"0e3e96c1-4fbc-4591-9728-caf684801a03"}],"attributes":{"pinned":false,"keyEvent":true,"summary":false},"blockCreatedOn":1708594646000,"blockCreatedOnDisplay":"04.37 EST","blockLastUpdated":1708597673000,"blockLastUpdatedDisplay":"05.27 EST","blockFirstPublished":1708597673000,"blockFirstPublishedDisplay":"05.27 EST","blockFirstPublishedDisplayNoTimezone":"05.27","title":"Minister rejects claim Conservative party ducked vote on Gaza ceasefire last night because it feared it would lose","contributors":[],"primaryDateLine":"Thu 22 Feb 2024 08.25 EST","secondaryDateLine":"First published on Thu 22 Feb 2024 04.27 EST"},{"id":"65d71cd18f089d88380e8b35","elements":[{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>More than 50 MPs have now signed <a href=\"https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/61908\">the Commons early day motion </a>expressing no confidence in the speaker. 30 of them are Conservatives, 22 of them are from the SNP and one is an ex-Tory now sitting as an independent.</p>","elementId":"53df4406-9194-4b06-aa56-9b977632b8ef"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>In some respects, the SNP signatories are more of a worry for Sir Lindsay Hoyle. Fewer than 10% of Conservative MPs have signed, but more than half of the SNP’s parliamentary party has now lost confidence in him.</p>","elementId":"ea3b7aef-3634-4912-8602-befc7c01409f"}],"attributes":{"pinned":false,"keyEvent":true,"summary":false},"blockCreatedOn":1708596433000,"blockCreatedOnDisplay":"05.07 EST","blockLastUpdated":1708596842000,"blockLastUpdatedDisplay":"05.14 EST","blockFirstPublished":1708596843000,"blockFirstPublishedDisplay":"05.14 EST","blockFirstPublishedDisplayNoTimezone":"05.14","title":"More than 50 MPs, including more than half of all SNP MPs, have signed Commons motion of no confidence in speaker","contributors":[],"primaryDateLine":"Thu 22 Feb 2024 08.25 EST","secondaryDateLine":"First published on Thu 22 Feb 2024 04.27 EST"},{"id":"65d715898f08aff1ffae3224","elements":[{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>In another interview this morning <strong>Maria Caulfield</strong>, the health minister, said that Sir Lindsay Hoyle had 48 hours to persuade MPs he should remain as Commons speaker.</p>","elementId":"e9b2c720-bc68-41a7-83d0-858ed830ef26"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>Asked if his position was now untenable, she told TalkTV:</p>","elementId":"0da9ec14-321b-45aa-9061-3b52bf730192"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.BlockquoteBlockElement","html":"<blockquote class=\"quoted\">\n <p>I voted for Lindsay as speaker of the House of Commons, so I was a big Lindsay Hoyle fan but his actions yesterday I’m very disappointed in.</p>\n <p>There is a notice calling for a confidence vote on the speaker. He did apologise last night which I am giving him credit for doing that. He will be meeting with the leader of the house. It will depend on what he says over the next 24, 48 hours.</p>\n</blockquote>","elementId":"84d976a9-ccfc-4c9c-ae92-0a034a3c5de6"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>She said Hoyle might now be regareded as biased.</p>","elementId":"aa98309f-b60f-480e-a53b-b37dc0c95451"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.BlockquoteBlockElement","html":"<blockquote class=\"quoted\">\n <p>There can be no question that a speaker of the House of Commons is influenced by their own political party, and we need to be absolutely clear on that. 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But what makes them combustible is when they turn into arguments about process. It is the belief that the rules are being abused, distorted or ignored in order to gain political advantage that creates such anger.</p>\n</blockquote>","elementId":"b87bb9bb-5870-4f22-81bf-5bb913d9e6c2"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>With that in mind, the events of last night, described here in <strong>Kiran Stacey</strong>’s overnight story, are easier to comprehend.</p>","elementId":"b1b60cda-fcc6-40b1-b53c-a048af5ca570"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.RichLinkBlockElement","prefix":"Related: ","text":"Commons speaker apologises after Gaza ceasefire debate descends into chaos","elementId":"2de9d3e2-9352-4fe1-8303-7c5d4a98bf6a","role":"thumbnail","url":"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/21/commons-speaker-issues-apology-after-gaza-ceasefire-debate-descends-into-chaos"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>Today it is Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, who is under most pressure. He is due to hold talks with the parties to clear the air, but 33 MPs (22 Tories, 11 SNP) have signed a <a href=\"https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/61908/no-confidence-in-the-speaker\">Commons early day motion</a> expressing on confidence in him. 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Speakers end up going when the government or opposition leadership turns against them, and this can happen if it becomes clear that they enjoy the broad support of the house as a whole.</p>","elementId":"c3eff2be-d648-428e-b0c0-e392c68135c3"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>And that is why <strong>Maria Caulfield</strong>’s interviews this morning were interesting. Caulfield is a health minister. She was not explicitly delivering a government line on Hoyle (No 10, when asked questions about the speaker’s future, normally says that’s a matter for the Commons, not the government), but she did not give him her support.</p>","elementId":"cff06760-925f-4a45-b62a-adc3b09d6143"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>As <strong>Aubrey Allegretti</strong> from the Times reported, on a Tory WhatsApp group last night Caulfield said Hoyle had been “completely irresponsible” in doing hat he did.</p>","elementId":"20831257-4b68-483c-ab91-95a5fa149b48"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.BlockquoteBlockElement","html":"<blockquote class=\"quoted\">\n <p>Tory WhatsApp groups are still alive with rage at the Speaker’s decision tonight.</p>\n <p>Another minister - Maria Caulfield - breaks cover to claim Lindsay Hoyle knew “all the fire from protesters would be against us” by letting Labour motion be voted on - as Tories would oppose.</p>\n <p>She says it was “completely irresponsible” for MPs’ safety.</p>\n</blockquote>","elementId":"5ee1970e-e2db-43ea-aa72-4837cbe3d830"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TweetBlockElement","source":"Twitter","id":"1760442775193989186","elementId":"4751beaf-b3fe-4835-8fc8-f8b614726797","hasMedia":false,"role":"inline","url":"https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1760442775193989186","isThirdPartyTracking":false,"html":"<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Tory WhatsApp groups are still alive with rage at the Speaker’s decision tonight. <br><br>Another minister - Maria Caulfield - breaks cover to claim Lindsay Hoyle knew “all the fire from protesters would be against us” by letting Labour motion be voted on - as Tories would oppose.…</p>&mdash; Aubrey Allegretti (@breeallegretti) <a href=\"https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1760442775193989186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">February 21, 2024</a></blockquote>"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>This morning <strong>Caulfield</strong> told Sky News that Hoyle’s position was now “difficult” and that she would struggle to support him.</p>","elementId":"f16ad375-46ad-4361-97f0-6057ddf6cf94"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>And she said his ruling was biased against the <a href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/conservatives\" data-component=\"auto-linked-tag\">Conservatives</a>. On the Today programme she said that Hoyle had arranged the votes to take place in such a way as to reduce the risk of Labour MPs having to make a choice that would expose them to threats, but to increase the risk of Conservative MPs having to make a choice that would expose them to threats. She explained:</p>","elementId":"d6344cf7-e470-474c-b358-01e1ca5d1cd0"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.BlockquoteBlockElement","html":"<blockquote class=\"quoted\">\n <p>My concern was that, because [Hoyle] came under undue pressure from the Labour leader, because Labour were worried about losing that vote, for whatever reason … that meant that we will be the only party who would not be supporting the SNP motion, and that all the fire would come on Conservative MPs.</p>\n <p>I just felt that you know, he was putting party politics above the impartiality of the speaker. He took the threat to Labour MPs seriously, but took no consideration of what would happen to Conservative MPs.</p>\n</blockquote>","elementId":"946d4eb9-43af-4ac9-aaa8-03828f54d582"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>Caulfield was referring to the fact that, if the votes had taken place yesterday in line with the established rules, <a href=\"https://www.theguardian.com/politics/labour\" data-component=\"auto-linked-tag\">Labour</a> MPs would not have been able to vote on their own motion, but would have had to take a view on the SNP one. The last time this happened, many received threats for not voting with for the SNP ceasefire proposal.</p>","elementId":"75ac7467-796b-4196-ad50-58bfde15afc2"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>As a result of the Hoyle ruling, the Tories would have had to vote down two immediate ceasefire motions – Labour’s and the SNP’s – if they wanted to vote for their own immediate humanitarian pause one. (Under the conventional rules, they would have only had to vote down the SNP one to get a vote on their own.)</p>","elementId":"44aa4baf-785e-4e18-8c07-2d30199e47fe"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>We’ve got business questions coming up in the Commons later, and that should give some indication as to how much opposition there is to Hoyle. Judging by social media, Labour MPs are already running an operation to back him.</p>","elementId":"ef4d1724-2068-46b3-9429-1818c1af8061"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>Here is the agenda for the day.</p>","elementId":"02023251-a664-4b89-b86b-446e0f63278d"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p><em>10.30am:</em> Penny Mordaunt, the leader of the Commons, takes questions on next week’s Commons business.</p>","elementId":"06a8197e-d8bd-4395-85d5-323156505a9a"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p><em>11.30am:</em> Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.</p>","elementId":"fa3de144-fb6f-4081-bcae-219c0d72cdf5"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p><em>Afternoon:</em> Rishi Sunak is on a visit in north Wales.</p>","elementId":"da682b95-2f68-496f-b4ba-52dda7ea5bcc"},{"_type":"model.dotcomrendering.pageElements.TextBlockElement","html":"<p>If you want to contact me, do try the “send us a message” feature. 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Key events

The speaker is offering to allow an emergency debate on Gaza, not an emergency no confidence vote in himself, sources have confirmed. (See 1.07pm.)

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, offered to let the SNP hold an emergency debate. (See 12.45pm.) I interpreted that that as his offering an emergency no confidence debate, but colleagues who were in the chamber have interpreted that as a reference to an emergency Gaza debate. We are seeking clarification, but I have amended the headline in the meantime.

Starmer defends lobbying Hoyle over Gaza vote, but insists he never threatened him ‘in any way whatsoever’

Keir Starmer has defended his decision to lobby Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, yesterday over the Gaza debate. Starmer met Hoyle in person, hours before the vote, arguing that the speaker should ignore precedent and allow a vote on the Labour motion.

But Starmer denied threatening the speaker. Speaking to journalists on a visit in Sussex, he said:

I can categorically tell you that I did not threaten the speaker in any way whatsoever.

I simply urged to ensure that we have the broadest possible debate.

So that actually the most important thing , which is what do we do about the situation in Gaza, could be properly discussed by MPs with a number of options in front of them.

The allegation that Starmer may have threatened Hoyle with the prospect of Labour not voting to reappoint him after the election if he did not back them yesterday was prompted by tweets posted by Newsnight’s Nicholas Watt yesterday. But, as Watt explained on the Today programme this morning, he was never suggesting that this was something being said by Starmer; his tweets were about what other Labour figures have been saying in private in recent days. (See 10.45am.)

Keir Starmer speaking to the media at Three Bridges, Crawley, West Sussex, this morning. Photograph: Jordan Pettitt/PA

Hoyle apologises to SNP, offers to let them hold emergency debate, but defends wanting to protect MPs

Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the speaker, is responding to Flynn.

I will reiterate I made a judgment call that didn’t end up in the position where I expected it to.

I regret it. I apologise to the SNP … I apologise and I apologise to the house. I made a mistake. We do make mistakes. I own up to mine.

I would say that we can have an SO24 [standing order 24] to get an immediate debate because the debate is so important to this house.

I will defend every member in this House. Every member matters to me in this house.

And it has been said, both sides, I never ever want to go through a situation where I pick up a phone to find a friend, of whatever side, has been murdered by terrorists.

I also don’t want another attack on this House. I was in the chair on that day.

I have seen, I have witnessed, I won’t share the details, but the details of the things that have been brought to me are absolutely frightening on all members of this house, on all sides.

I have a duty of care, and I say that, and if my mistake is looking after members I am guilty.

All MPs are at risk, he says. He had serious meetings with the police yesterday. Heading into the election, there are threats.

He repeats the point that he is offering an SO24 debate.

There are cheers as he sits down.

UPDATE: Hoyle, the speaker, offered to let the SNP hold an emergency debate. I interpreted that that as his offering an emergency no confidence debate, but colleagues who were in the chamber have interpreted that as a reference to an emergency Gaza debate. We are seeking clarification, but I have amended the headline in the meantime.

FURTHER UPDATE: Hoyle was offering an emergency debate on Gaza, not on his future, sources say.

Lindsay Hoyle in the chair today. Photograph: PRU/AFP/Getty Images

Mordaunt says MPs should ‘take time to reflect’ before deciding whether to hold no confidence vote in speaker

Penny Mordaunt, the Commons leader, says she will protect the rights of all minority parties in the house. MPs create the rules of the house. Given the range of views expressed today, and the many supportive ones, they should “take time to reflect”, she says.

The government will listen to the house, she says.

Stephen Flynn says SNP no longer has confidence in speaker and calls for no confidence vote

In the Commons Stephen Flynn, the SNP leader at Westminster, said the best and worst of the place was on display yesterday.

Things “descended into farce” because of the decision taken by the speaker, he says, addressing Sir Lindsay Hoyle, who is in the charge.

The debate turned into a Labour debate. That is not acceptable.

He says as a result the SNP does not believe Hoyle should remain as speaker. They do not have confidence in him.

He asks what can be done to schedule a confidence vote in the chamber.

Mark Francois (Con) said last night was not good for the Commons. But he said that Sir Lindsay Hoyle had apologised, and expressed contrition, and he said MPs should respect that.

He praised Hoyle for the support he offered following the murder of Sir David Amess, Francois’ close friend. Hoyle was “a decent man”, he said, and “not the villain here”.

He said the Commons should re-run the debate, with Hoyle in the chair. “We are lucky to have him,” he said.

The Conservative MP William Wragg, who has tabled the early day motion expressing no confidence in Sir Lindsay Hoyle, asked Mordaunt how he could secure a vote on this.

Mordaunt gave a non-committal answer. She said the government would always listen to requests for a debate, but insisted other routes to getting something debated were available too.

Asked by Debbie Abrahams (Lab) if she could assure MPs that they would get the chance to have another vote on Gaza, Mordaunt said there would be “ample opportunities in the future” for such a debate.

Sir Edward Leigh (Con) told the Commons that the speaker has admitted he made a mistake. The Commons should now “move on”, he said. He said he was opposed to a no confidence motion.

He also called for a government debate on Gaza, to allow all amendments to be considered.

Mordaunt said the speaker was meeting all the parties. She said she hoped all sides would reflect on their actions, as the speaker has done.

Back in the Commons Vicky Ford (Con) says she has faced hostility because of the way she has voted on issues, with her votes being misinterpreted. She says that in the European parliament there is a mechanism allowing MEPs, after a vote, to post an explanation of what they voted as they did, and what they did then. She urges Penny Mordaunt to allow the same thing to happen in the Commons.

Mordaunt she will consider this proposal.



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